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MOTU 8pre

Postby jworrall on Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:59 am

My review of the MOTU 8pre. -- two caveats: 1) I am new and not very knowledgable about audio electronics. 2) I still haven’t used many of the capabilities of the 8pre and associated software.
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The unit seems solidly and compactly built. The 8 preamps all have independent phantom power and pad (cuts 20 dB) switches, and can all be used for either low impedance microphones (XLR input), high-impedance instrument (10K ohm) or line-level input. In addition to ADAT and MIDI inputs and outputs (I haven’t used those), and of course firewire, the analog ouputs on the 8pre are Main Outs (2 balanced TRS jacks, left and right or 1 and 2) and Phones (stereo ¼” headphone jack with left and right or 1 and 2). Use of the outputs is extremely flexible through software. You can make two stereo output mixes and direct to Mains and Phones, or 4 mono mixes directed to Main1, Main2, Phones1, Phones2, or any combination. I don’t have enough experience to evaluate the quality of the preamps for others, but they seem fine to me.

There are three main programs that come with the 8pre.
1) MOTU Audio Setup. It is used to control driver settings (sample rate, buffer size, channel names, etc.). You probably won’t need this much once you have it set the way you want it.
2) MOTU CueMix Console is used to control the CueMix DSP hardware on the 8pre. This allows you to have direct hardware playthrough so it works like a hardware mixer (but done through software). It has a software mixing board with multiple mixes that can go to different 8pre outputs. But you cannot apply any effects (such as tone control/EQ) in this mode.
3) The biggest program is AudioDesk. It is used for recording, playback, editing, playing live through the computer and applying software effects. It is intricate and flexible. One problem I ran into in using AudioDesk is that the CueMix DSP settings were still in effect while using AudioDesk even though CueMix Console was not running, so I was getting unexpected signal paths. The solution was simply to set all faders to minimum or mute or disable outputs in CueMix Console, then all signal paths go through AudioDesk alone. AudioDesk runs only on a Mac. It is not yet Universal (i.e., for Intel macs), and it did not work (crashed when using effects) on my new MacBook, so I have to run it on my old iBook until they finish the Universal update.
Even on the old iBook (500 MHz, 640 MB ram), sending 7 input channels through AudioDesk with multiple effects on most of them, I found that I could set the buffer at 128 and have no noticeable latency and still be within the capability of the computer. The interface response was slow though.

The unit must be connected and on to run any of the software, and the unit must be connected to a computer to use it (unless you are using it only in Converter mode, to take analog signals from the preamp inputs to digital ADAT output).

Two good manuals are included, one for the 8pre and one for AudioDesk. Because AudioDesk is so complex, and some knowledge is assumed, I had trouble with setting it up to do what I wanted – use it as a live mixer for a gig. The unit is capable of this but it is not primarily designed for it so the manual does not address thoroughly how to do it. After extensive support from MOTU, here are the options that worked. These setups are for two mono outputs, one for main output and one for monitor output. We used the 8 pre successfully as a mixer for a live gig. The outputs are sent to amplifiers/PA system.

How to setup for live mixing without recording
CueMix Console software
Overview – Signals go only through hardware on the 8pre using the onboard CueMix DSP chip.
Pros – Relatively simple and intuitive to set up and control. No latency (delay of output).
Cons – Can’t add effects. Most importantly you have no tone (EQ) control.
How – Set up two mixes in CueMix Console using the mix tabs at the bottom. Route each to the desired output on the 8pre. You can set one up for main ouput and one for monitors or phones. Output is quite flexible.

AudioDesk software – Sends option
Overview – Each track has an output to the main output and a “send” to the output that goes to monitors. The volumes can be controlled independently, and there is a master fader for each output.
Pros – Fairly easy to operate. Only need to control one effect for each input.
Cons – Can’t control effects independently for each output. Setup is a little non-intuitive.
How – Make an auxiliary track for each input channel. Set output to the main output, e.g., Main Out 1. Set a send menu in each track to Bus 1. Make a Master Fader track set to Main Out 1; it is the master for the main output. Make an Auxiliary Track set with input Bus 1, output to the output for monitors, e.g. Main Out 2. That auxiliary track is the master fader for the monitor output. Control the level of individual tracks to monitors with the 1st send knob.

AudioDesk – Dual track option
Overview – Each input channel gets two tracks, one going to main output and one to monitors.
Pros – Effects can be controlled independently for main and monitor output. Easier than previous method to control each channel’s monitor levels (slider instead of knob) and you get a level meter for each channel’s monitor track. More intuitive setup than previous method.
Cons – More tracks to keep track of. Have to maintain twice as many effects. Uses more processor power because effects are doubled.
How – Make two auxiliary tracks for each input channel. First set goes to main output and second set goes to monitor output. Make a master fader track for each set, with corresponding output.

Setting up the mixing board in AudioDesk is partly nonintuitive to me, but once set up it works. Surprisingly, for just live monitoring you don’t use regular Audio Tracks at all, you use Auxiliary Tracks. It has a “Mix Mode” that allows you to set up separate mixes, but surprisingly that is not how you actually set up separate mixes for live output. You do that through the two methods above. Also, I still don’t understand why you can set up a Master Fader track for the output that the Aux. Tracks are set for (e.g., for a main output), but you have to use another Auxiliary Track AS a master fader, going through a bus, to have a master fader for the sends output (e.g., for a monitor output).

The effects included with AudioDesk are very powerful and complex. I wish there was a bonehead EQ that just had simple sliders for several frequency bands, but the EQs it has are much more refined (and more time-consuming to set up and control). But the presets in the effects are very handy to give you an idea of the possibilities of each effect.

MOTU’s support is awesome! Both before I bought it and after, I had lots of questions. They were always answered promptly and well. The same person worked with me throughout, and remembered our previous interaction. I called him on the phone and he walked me through the setup efficiently. I was really impressed with his ability and helpfulness.

Overall I’m very happy with the 8pre and included software. It does everything advertised and more, it is a quality unit, and you can’t beat the price (I paid $550) for the features.
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Postby Rick Levine on Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:55 pm

Thanks, great review! This machine has been the talk of the forum, and it's good to hear someone who has one, and that it works as well as other MOTU stuff.

If the mic pres are like those in the 896HD, this is one awesome box. Even if not, it's another great 8 input firewire/ADAT/MIDI interface at a great price.

Hey, you've got MOTUs ear, could you ask them if the pres are the same across their product lines, and if not, how they compare, e.g. UltraLite, 8pre, 896HD, etc.
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8pre preamps

Postby jworrall on Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:30 pm

He said the preamps in the 8pre are the same as those in the UltraLite. I assume this means they are different from those in the 896HD, but he didn't explicitly say that.
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Re: 8pre preamps

Postby Rick Levine on Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:08 pm

jworrall wrote:He said the preamps in the 8pre are the same as those in the UltraLite. I assume this means they are different from those in the 896HD, but he didn't explicitly say that.
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Thanks for finding out. I've only had the 896HD here at home, but other folks are really sold on the UltraLite. I was amazed at how solid the MOTU gear is on my Windows machine. I honestly think you could not have done better at this point in time. --Rick
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8pre- First Impression

Postby Marczeep on Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:22 am

Hi

I received MOTU’s 8pre two days ago and here are my first impressions, I will try to update them as I get more experience with the unit.
Well I ordered from zzounds… $550 with free delivery that promptly arrived only a mere two days after I ordered it. Great stuff!

Regarding my experience with audio gear, my last interface was a firepod, which I sold to a friend for $300, because I was not happy with the lack of zero latency monitoring software like MOTU’s cuemix, and that if I wanted to expand my inputs I would have to buy another firepod.
I am a professional musician currently in music school studying jazz, I also do live sound and record for the jazz department, this amounts to about 15 recitals a semester, ranging from Jazz trios to 15 piece electric groups, in a room that sits about 100 comfortably. I have also had brief experience interning at two studios in the Philadelphia area, so I have heard that “Pro Tools HD, Avalon Pres, and Neumann Microphone” sound, and can clearly discern it from lowly home based productions.

Now comparing the two interfaces even this early I can see that my decision was a smart one.

The Build- The feel is solid, about ten inches deep, the knobs and switches on the front feel strong, and the layout of the unit makes sense. While I was impressed with the Firepod’s build, some pieces made me a bit nervous, the knobs for instance, shook a little bit on my unit (not in operation that is).

The Sound- Well here the difference between the two units is pretty negligible, while both units have been touted as having “professional grade A preamps”, I think were all aware these preamps and converters are not going to knock you out of your chair. However regarding that sound that I did get, using the DI input for my electric bass (musicman ernie ball), it was a clear, concise and most defiantly a USABLE and ACCEPTABLE sound. I heard what I would describe as a tight low end and well defined highs. The sound was much more pleasing than using my MBOX, whose preamps are feeble at best. Conversion sounded clean, and no different than Firebox or MBOX (but what do I know!).

Drivers- On my Mac G5 tower, installation was a breeze. I plugged the unit in and popped in the disc and it worked without a charm. I ran unit without problem through Ableton Live, and Logic Express.
Now regarding the installation on my Asus Laptop (not sure of specifications, I’ll get them up here later, but I assure it is compatible with the unit), it was a headache. I first installed the drivers like the manual tells you, restarted my computer and plugged in the unit as directed. However… the unit came up as unidentified. So I deleted the drivers, turned off the unit and reinstalled them. Again no help. I did this 5 times, each time restarting the computer after installing the driver.

I was not happy. I looked through the manual for help (troubleshooting) it stated that if the unit is not recognized, it is because you did not install the drivers before plugging it in. (well I did install drivers first!!) So I checked the website to try to talk to someone or find some faq’s for help. I sent a request through the online service for help, 14 hours later no response. I checked for phone numbers to assist me, well MOTU locks the door at 6pm EST, sorry guys. However after about 10 minutes of searching through the website I came upon a faq that said if unit not recognized delete it in device manager, uninstall drivers, and reinstall drivers with UNIT ON. So I did that, no avail. So I took a chance and allowed windows to search for the drivers. (the manual says to specifically NOT do this) And what do you know, it found the correct drivers and it worked!

This all took about an hour and a half. Once finished the unit worked well on the PC. I used Ableton Live without any problems, and because of a lack of a real sequence on the laptop tried it with Audacity. At first I had a few troubles getting the unit to work with Audacity, I turned on the WDM drivers, however audacity still refused to find my inputs. After that I restarted Audacity and the unit was recognized. Running itunes through the unit also took a little bit of coercing but I got it.

Other things- The front metering is pretty cool, a definite plus over firepod, which loves to clip and ruin recordings due to a lack of metering.

-Cuemix is very cool, this being the main reason for me purchasing the unit, it was quite easy to understand, and should make sense to anyone who has used a mixer before.

-The unit also has four analog output channels not two, like people may have been led to believe here. The headphone output is separate from the main outs, very cool.

-The unit is both an interface and an optical expander; say if I wanted to go “Pro Toolz” and join the “real audio industry” with my theoretical 002 (sarcasm, but I am sure your figured it out), I could simply use the 8pre as an expander, which might sell some people.

-There is one front knob for switching Clock source, sampling rates, and volume for the unit. This… not such a great idea. Its kind of difficult to use and clearly just a cut corner on MOTU’s part.

In conclusion I am very satisfied with the unit so far… now this is without a real test run with a group playing (that will happen next week), but overall I would rate the unit

8/10

I’ll try to get more updates here as time goes on.

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Postby Tweak on Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:57 pm

Great review Marc. Thank you!
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Postby mindabsence on Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:17 pm

Glad to see more people enjoying these!
I've had mine for just a few weeks more than a full year now and I still love it just as much as day one. Never had a single problem, it's never let me down and I swear by it for almost all projects I do in the studio here
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Postby Tweak on Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:18 am

I am thinking of getting one myself to add the my 828mk2 system. Time to retire the old Mackie 1402.
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Re: MOTU 8pre

Postby Tweak on Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:11 am

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Re: MOTU 8pre

Postby bananaman10991 on Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:28 am

I love my 8pre! Then again, I am a newb.... :| Definitely a HUGE upgrade from my little TASCAM US-144MRII. I got it used from a guy who said he hardly ever touched it because the preamps didn't match the ones he primarily uses... (not sure what he's thinking...) He couldn't find the manual, so I don't have one of those, but I have managed to get everything hooked up and running smoothly on my machine! Windows 7 and the 8pre work together very well!
Now that we have a 24-8 mixer, I kinda want to start getting more hardware effects and start doing less in the digital domain, and more in the analog domain.. so I want more outputs, so pretty quick here, I'll be making use of the ADAT outputs, so that shouldn't be a problem. Overall, it's a great interface! It's the best I've come across!
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