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Review and Discussion of Waves Plugins

Postby Tweak on Sat Jun 28, 2003 7:55 pm

Review and Discussion of Waves Plugins
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Waves Native Gold Bundle Version 3.2 (Windows and Macintosh)
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Waves Native Restoration Bundle (Macintosh and Windows)
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Waves Native Platinum Bundle (Macintosh and Windows)
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By Rich

Wave Native Gold Mini Review

There are probably more studios relying on the Waves L1 Ultra Maximizer and C4 Multiband than they care to admit. The difference these can make on ones music is outstanding. Want to hear the difference it can make? Download the demo from Waves. It's fully functional for 14 days so you can actually use it to master some songs courtesy of Waves. If you are like me, the question might not be if you can afford it, it might be can you afford not to have it.

It took me a long time to warm up to the Waves products for a couple of reasons. They are expensive, and every time I'd look at the back of the box I'd see plugins I already had. Lessee, I have my multiband compressor, my reverb, my gate, my multi-tap :) After all, it all sounds the same, Right? Wrong! It took me less than 10 seconds of running my audio through a TrueVerb, a Renaissance EQ or a Ultra Maximizer to become a total evangelical convert. Your talking to a guy who has all the sonic foundry plugins, all the Logic plugins, and many of the Cakewalk and Steinberg plugs. What sets the waves plugins apart from the rest is not only it's stunning graphics and and outstanding ease of use, but their unbelievable audio quality. The audio comes out of the oven warm, supple and professionally smooth. You really have to hear it.

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My mixes are louder, clearer, with better bass, better transients. I've spent nearly a week just getting acquainted, bouncing old songs from DAT into the computer and then processing them. In about two minutes I can get dramatic improvements, just by chaining the 10 band parametric, if needed the Renaissance Bass, the C4 multiband, sometimes the stereo imager, and finally the L1 Ultra Maximizer. If you had a good mix to begin with, you'll find it easy to make it outstanding. Even if you had a just an old recording from cassette, you'll be surprised to find dynamics and nuances that were deeply buried in the original. The 10 band is so precise you can cut away damaged frequencies surgically, something that my hardware 31 band is supposed to do, but can't, not like this! The L1 Ultramaximer works so well with Logic that the peak meters match exactly. That is, if the L1 says it will limit at -.01 db that's exactly where Logic's meter pegs, ditto for bouncing to DAT. The result is increased resolution you can hear. Better tracking, better bouncing and a better mixdown.

Each plugin comes with a .pdf and paper manual so you can learn how the experts use these. I'm also getting awesome results editing samples in SoundForge with them, discovering new ways to polish sounds that eclipses differences between my studio and the big studios downtown. One cool thing is the 10 band parametric. Not only can you eq your sample exactly the way you like, you can create a different eq for the left and right side, and level each side so they peak exactly at 0db. And you can give your samples as much high end as you want, and surprisingly, the results are not harsh or strident. This allows one to make the perfect sample. It's good magic.

A final note, their is a "public beta" of the Waveshell that allows you to run the Waves plugs in your VstPlugins folder, so Cubase users can now use Waves. This too is great because VST plugins pass on automation parameters to host sequencers that support this. This is an important feature for those considering using a Logic Control or Houston Controller. Imagine, fully automated Waves processors just like the guys with massive Pro Tools setups. While that technology isn't here yet, it will be soon. Buy running the Waveshell, I have the plugins in both my VST and Direct X directories.
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Postby Aaron on Sat Jun 28, 2003 11:14 pm

I can support Tweaks opinion... I couldn't go with out Waves plugins... They really make the difference on polishing a project and giving it that truly professional sound...
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Postby electrikality on Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:51 pm

I took studio recording classes at Greenville College, Illinois, and they had all the waves plugins. [they have 3 regular pro-tools studios, one TDM studio with a bunch of digidesign expansion cards, and one pro tools HD suite] Trueverb just honestly sounds better they any bundled sequencer plugin. I'm ok with the less expensive plugins i use now, because i'm on a budget, but if i had the money i'd opt in. i certainly agree they sound very, very good. And the graphical displays make it fun to adjust levels and customize the sound.

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Postby U2bonoman on Fri Dec 05, 2003 5:36 pm

I just downloaded the demo and within less than a day, I am sold! So, I am asking for cash ONLY this Christmas to purchase this baby!! Woohoo!!! :lol:
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Postby dxl on Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:26 am

the reverb is not outstanding at all
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Postby Tweak on Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:26 am

Compared to emagic's space designer--no; compared to lexicon hardware verbs, no; compared to other software plugin reverbs--which do you find better?
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Postby U2bonoman on Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:55 pm

Ok I just got the Waves Gold and I have to say that Trueverb is the best!This is an amazing program! :D
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Postby Heretec on Wed May 26, 2004 10:54 pm

ok, all the hype finally got to me, so i downloaded the demo. ran a couple of tracks, previously mastered to the best of my ability, through a preset on the L2 Ultramaximizer, and they came out sounding waaay louder and richer. amazing. can't wait to see what it can do when actually fiddled with.
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Postby Neverwhere on Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:39 am

the only waves plugins i feel have any real value are L2, C4/linear phase multiband, and supertap. the renaissance eq and linear phase eq aren't bad, but there's far better for less money out there. the only thing i really lack in my plugin collection are a good finalizer type thing like L2, and a decent multiband. besides that, you can get a UAD-1 or TC powercore for about the same if not less money than waves gold (far less than platinum), and the plugins sound infinitely better. with powercore you don't even need L2 or the multibands due to their finalizer plugins.

i used waves a lot at school, and they're nice because they're everywhere but i think overall they're a lot more hype than anything else. their compressors are mediocre, and while renn verb sounds better than a lot of verb plugins, it's quickly becoming obsolete from the sudden boom of convolution verbs. still, i'm gonna buy the masters bundle in the fall most likely because they do have something there with L2 and their multibands.

on one last quick note... if any of you are in college and want to get the any of the waves bundles, go to http://www.academicsuperstore.com

they have native, renn maxx, gold, platinum, diamond and i think broadcast and the transform bundles there for DIRT CHEAP... like, half price cheap... and not half of list, half of regular musiciansfriend prices. although they change their stock every so often so sometimes they'll have a bundle in TDM and not native and vice versa depending on what you need.
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Postby Modern Mastering on Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:46 pm

The Waves series are good for mixing. On the flip side they are horrible for mastering.
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Postby mustream on Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:08 am

Hey you really think that the waves plugs are bad for mastering????

Well, to be honest I'm not really impressed by the L2 to much. A bit to Squashy for me.. I do however find the C4 to be a good Multiband Comp. At least until i have enough money to buy a Powercore or Uad-1 or Both.

Trueverb is nice but hyped a little too much in my opinion.
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Postby Modern Mastering on Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:10 pm

Yes the are bad for mastering, i think i gave a long why post somewhere on this forum.
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Postby Gene Ess on Sat May 14, 2005 5:49 pm

Wave plugins do carry a lot of hype. Ultimately, though, the program material really dictates what works or not.

I find L3 to be horrible with pristine jazz mixes but okay with electronic music, etc...

In the end, none of it really seem to replace great engineering and great gear for mastering.
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Postby paulbrodt on Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:28 pm

I just got waves. I got all of the bundles. There seems to be a lot of stuff on there that I'm never going to use. I still like the Lexicon reverb better.
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Postby MASSIVE Mastering on Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:14 pm

paulbrodt wrote:I just got waves. I got all of the bundles. There seems to be a lot of stuff on there that I'm never going to use. I still like the Lexicon reverb better.

Does anyone smell CRACK?

Seriously... Why would someone buy "all the bundles?"
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Postby _controlfreak on Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:18 pm

"maybe" he is talking about the demos.
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Postby HomerAudio on Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:20 pm

There seems to be a lot of stuff on there that I'm never going to use.


I got all of the bundles.


Hmm, let's see:
Native Platinum Bundle: $1600
Native Gold Bundle: $980
Musicians II Native: $150
Renaissance Maxx: $450
Restoration Bundle: $900
Transform Native: $900
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TOTAL: $4980

I'm probably even missing a couple of bundles, but still...

Maybe it's not cracked... he just likes to spend $5000 in stuff he's not going to learn how to use.
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Postby MASSIVE Mastering on Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:21 pm

You forgot the Diamond - That's $3800 by itself.
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Postby Farview on Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:37 am

Don't forget that a lot of those bundle have the same stuff in them. He must have payed for 5 or 6 Rcomps. A fool and his money are soon parted.
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Postby HomerAudio on Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:53 am

Aha!! Maybe that's exactly what he means!! There's a lot of stuff he's never gonna use... he'll only use the first Rcomp and not the other 5! now that makes sense... :lol:
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Postby dc on Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:49 pm

haaai everybody...


I just ordered the izotope ozone, I am a techno musician, but still... I'm looking for a better thing, I was considering to BUY<---ONE bundle ( not all the bundles like paul did :lol: haha ) of the waves
but hmmm , the one guy say's it isn't that great while tweak loves it.

I am confused :) should I spent my money on a waves bundlle or should it be better to use uad or powercore ?

ow yeaaah , about tc powercore , can somebody give me a short vieuw how this works ? is this just connecting with usb and then choose it in your seq track ?



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Hey Noobies - Recently Bought 2 Waves Bundles - Nice Plugs!

Postby AvBunyan on Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:32 pm

Hey folks – Since I upgraded to Sonar 4 Producer and then to Producer 5 around October I tried a lot of demos in my search for more plug-ins. I used to be an affects freak in the old days (1970’s) so I spent a lot of time checking out verbs, modulators and EQ’s. My ears are not expert ears but I know what I like personally. The below article is for newbies (like me) who are spending hours trying out different demos and freebies.

After all the research and adding up costs I went with Waves Musicians Bundle II and Waves Native Power Pack. At the risk of boring you I will tell you why.

I. Sound

Are there betting sounding individual plugs? – Probably, depending on the ear but over all the 2 plug packages I purchased just sound natural and crisp to me. My favorites…

Trueverb – I’ve tried the Wizoo, AAR, Masterverb, etc. and did not hear where they were any better in a mix than Trueverb. I’m sure an owner of the above can get nice verbs but for me the ole’ Trueverb just sounds rich and transparent to me and easy to work with. Just can’t see spending the $180-$249 for the above when they don’t sound that much better if better at all.

IR-L Verb – got it for free with WUP – stunning with the right impulses – easy to us

EQ10 and RenEQ – I’ve tried Voxengo, MasterArt EQ’s, Kaejheus (sp?) (nice stuff) but couldn’t hear that they were better for the money I would have to spend. Waves EQ and the RenEQ can make my tracks sound clean and the RenEQ is great for subtractive equing.

Super Tap – monster delay and a nice clean chorus – just learning to tweak it – a knockout. The Sonitus is nice also but it is not a Super Tap.

Ultrmaxmizer1+ - great, transparent limiter – easy to use

Doubler – nothing out there like it as far as I know for the money – another knockout

C1, RComp, Rvox – just great simple compressors and I’m not good with compressors but the Ren series is great and easy to use. It appears the C1 can do all the real “hairy” stuff that is over my head right now but worth learning. Raxx – got for free also with WUP – great for electric guitars!

II. Price

I paid $130 for Bundle II and $355 for Native Power Pack (got discounts form my buddy at Sweetwater because of a past order took a while) – Got 14 plugs altogether (including the free IR-L and the Raxx from Waves) – so it came out to less than $38 per plug! All plugs are useable and sound good. Other plugs from other venders cost more than $38 a piece. There are some nice packages out there but when you compare apples to apples the above packages hold up to the others in price IMHO.

III. Flexible Package

Got 2 verbs (Trueverb and IR-L), 4 compressors, great limiter, delay, doubler, stereo imager (S1), 2 unique EQ’s, and a Desser – a nice set of plugs to get anybody newbie started.

With the nice Sonitus plug ins along with Perfect Space, Bundle II and the Native Power Pack I’m good to go. Now I need to really learn them and concentrate on making music.

Waves gets bashed alot and just not sure why. :? Can you blame a comany for trying to protect their investment?

You might consider the Waves Musicians Bundle II and the Native Power Pack as a combo – has most of the tools needed to get you going. Plus these plugs are tried and proven by many a engineer – and the Ilok was no big deal to me.

Everybody has different ears - I understand this!

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Postby The Miles Park on Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:43 pm

just downloaded a demo of a few of their plug-ins, real sweet.
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Postby austin2688 on Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:49 pm

"Not whether you can afford it, but can you afford not to have it"

Perfect quote from Rich. I couldn't agree more. I had been using a few mid range outboard processors, and Cubase SX3's VST's for my processing, and mixes and they got me by, i was content. I had never really looked into Waves, because I new how expensive they were and i wasn't going to sink $1,600 into "Software" processors(or so i thought) a friend told me to just Download the demo, free trial full operation for 2 weeks. I did, and immediately I was sold. EASY, Intuitive, Intellegent, and AWESOME sounding DSP. I was hooked! bought the Platinum bundle a month later. Money well spent! Software is now effectively replacing hardware...at least with WAVES.
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