Bugs: Logic 8

[robbiedo]

The Mackie Control Universal is not compatible at this time with Logic 8. I am having multiple issues with this unit. Also, the Apogee Ensemble seems to be causing issues with disappearing console profiles from the control surface setup. Only when I turn the Ensemble off, then restart Logic do the profiles reappear, and detect the MCU.

The MCU is having multiple issues:

1. Track Cursor moves multiple tracks
2. MCU fader moves are mirrored on the extenders.
3. Stuttering on play.
4. Stop returns to start of song

There are probably other issues, but suffice it to say if you rely on the MCU with Logic, I would suggest waiting to upgrade until these issues are solved.

Anyone else having issues with Logic 8?

[robbiedo]

It looks like every time I change a value on the MCU, it is sending the same parameter * 3. Pan values change by +3. When I hit play it is basically sending the play command three times, thus accounting for the stuttering. When I hit stop, it returns to the beginning of the song because stop is sent three times.

[RsntSoul]

Some bugs I have:

There is no Stylus RMX multi out available......Spectrasonics said y end of next week they will update it......


I have heard , but not confirmed Tracks doesn't work.

Otherwise I am in Love, except that for some reason my Dual 2.0 G5 w 4g of ram is acting sluggiish with LP8.

[Tweak]

I've not seen the MCU issue here, but I don't have an extender. So far, not a single issue with the MCU. It might be an interaction with the Apogee. Have you tried different midi ports? Are the MCU midi ports mirrored a somewhere in your environment. Might find the port icon and switch it off.

[robbiedo]

I've not seen the MCU issue here, but I don't have an extender. So far, not a single issue with the MCU. It might be an interaction with the Apogee. Have you tried different midi ports? Are the MCU midi ports mirrored a somewhere in your environment. Might find the port icon and switch it off.

I did an entire clean OS install, then installed Logic 8, and a minimum of others. I took Albert's advice, and bought a dedicated midi interface for the control surfaces. There is definitely an issue with the Apogee Ensemble and the MCU. It is predictable and reproduceable, but I can work around it by turning the Ensemble on after booting Logic.

I am not sure why I am having the other issues. I have the latest firmware on the MCU and in Logic mode. I am glad it is working for you. I believe the big difference in our setups is that I am using a MacIntel and you are under PowerPC. Otherwise, I am generally happy so far with fairly minor glitches. It is a nice upgrade, especially the new compressor.

However, I do not seem to be the only one having issues based on other reports on LUG, Gear Slutz, and Logic Pro Help

Edit:

I resolved the issue with the multiple messages from the control surfaces. I have a MIDISPORT 2x2 and a MIDISPORT 4x4. Something is causing an issue when the two are plugged in together, probably a M-audio driver problem when having the 2 units hooked up to Logic 8 that did not occur under Logic 7. I unplugged the 2x2 and the issue resolved itself. Even when nothing was plugged into the 2 x 2 the problem was still occurring. I may have to buy some other brand of 2x2 midi interface. Just glad to find the cause of the issue.

I am going to submit bug reports to Apple, Apogee, and M-Audio later today.










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[robbiedo]

Apogee replied to my issue with Logic 8, MCU, and the Ensemble:

Yes, we are aware people are having these issues. I have done some
testing with the Frontier Tranzport and it is working fine for me. We
will do some further investigation to determine if this is our issue
or not.

Best Regards,

Brett
Tech Support Specialist
Apogee Electronics

[Neil Parfitt]

Yes it sounds specific..

I'm running a Logic Control and an Extender running from a unitor 8mkII - works the way it should.

[robbiedo]

Yes it sounds specific..

I'm running a Logic Control and an Extender running from a unitor 8mkII - works the way it should.

<snarky> I feel so fortunate</snarky>. I am going back to watching the NFL in HDTV on a 120 projection screen, less work .

[SyrinxGC]

What about Logic 8 compatibility with plugins for Logic 7??

I'm working on an Intel Macbook with Logic 7 Express

I'm using Native Instruments Bandstand as a plugin at the moment, and ordered Garritan Personal Orchestra and Antares Harmony Engine.

What's your advice - is it safe to update or will I only be buying problems?

How stable is it??

Is it really worth the 99USD. Is it that much better???

I've worked hard the last months to convert from the old Logic for PC to Logic 7 Express - and to me it seems as if the difference between Logic 7 and Logic 8 will be even bigger that from PC-Logic 4.7 to Mac Logic 7.


SyrinxGC

[G-Dub]

What about Logic 8 compatibility with plugins for Logic 7??

I'm working on an Intel Macbook with Logic 7 Express

I'm using Native Instruments Bandstand as a plugin at the moment, and ordered Garritan Personal Orchestra and Antares Harmony Engine.

What's your advice - is it safe to update or will I only be buying problems?

How stable is it??

Is it really worth the 99USD. Is it that much better???

I've worked hard the last months to convert from the old Logic for PC to Logic 7 Express - and to me it seems as if the difference between Logic 7 and Logic 8 will be even bigger that from PC-Logic 4.7 to Mac Logic 7.


SyrinxGC

So far all of my plugs are fine, but I don't have many 3rd party plugs because of the abundance of plugs in logic pro.

It's not that big of a deal the new one window view is in addition to what was already there, Express gets the ES2 synth, and OMS inport/export.

[_controlfreak]

How does the playback buffer in Logic behave? In DP, if you toy around extensively with a soundbite's position right as its about to be played, or mess with a fade right as it gets there, DP will sometimes quit. You really have to be bumping stuff around right before and right after the playback position though... it just happened today and I wanted to throw the computer.

[Tweak]

How does the playback buffer in Logic behave? In DP, if you toy around extensively with a soundbite's position right as its about to be played, or mess with a fade right as it gets there, DP will sometimes quit. You really have to be bumping stuff around right before and right after the playback position though... it just happened today and I wanted to throw the computer.

Logic 8 has sample accurate editing now, that should change the way the buffer responds. I haven't done a "fast" piece yet. In the past Logic sometimes would fall apart at dense high bpm material, but you really had to try to mess it up. Early versions of L7 plugin delay compensation were kind of strange, especially running UAD stuff.

[_controlfreak]

Thank you for that - Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Well, I'll be at the Apple Store on Friday getting my MacBook's battery replaced (already ). Trying out things there is nice because you aren't harassed by sales reps... if you don't mind waiting 20+ minutes to try it. Not a chance I'll pay the sales tax there though!

[Tweak]

What about Logic 8 compatibility with plugins for Logic 7??

I'm working on an Intel Macbook with Logic 7 Express

I'm using Native Instruments Bandstand as a plugin at the moment, and ordered Garritan Personal Orchestra and Antares Harmony Engine.

SyrinxGC

Well, I re-installed Komplete 4, which is 11 or so soft synths. And Kore. And a few others and copied and pasted all my logic 7 presets from the Application Support/Logic directory.

Reaktor 5 crashed Logic 8 in a few seconds but the others seemed OK. Some NI stuff with notable exceptions can hog the CPU. I have not reinstalled the UAD card yet. I am thinking Reaktor would probably run fine from Soundtrack, which would give Logic some insulation and might even work better. [/list]

[Tweak]

Thank you for that - Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Well, I'll be at the Apple Store on Friday getting my MacBook's battery replaced (already ). Trying out things there is nice because you aren't harassed by sales reps... if you don't mind waiting 20+ minutes to try it. Not a chance I'll pay the sales tax there though!

The online apple store charged me sales tax and shipping. So there might not be a savings there.

[_controlfreak]

Exactly why I'd order Zzounds. But not without trying it, of course.

[robbiedo]

The online apple store charged me sales tax and shipping. So there might not be a savings there.

No sales tax here in Oregon!

I have had some stability issues and revolving beach balls which I had not had in Logic 7. It appears that I am not the only person having trouble not only with the Apogee Ensemble and the MCU, but also with multiple USB to MIDI interfaces using the same driver is causing a host of other problems. Early adoption is not for the weak.

[G-Dub]

the only thing I have encountered is that during a bounce Scroll while playing behaves differently.

The song position pointer moves but when it's time to update the song position pointer just moves out of view.

If I zoom out I can observe it working for the whole song during a bounce.
Not a showstopper, just unexpected.

[Travis Coats]

I have also noticed some glitches with the play head jumping spontaneously before placement or after play. There is also a stutter sometime with the ever occasional omission of midi data. The latter is quite annoying!

One other minor thing I noticed is that the midi parts/graphical representations in the arrange window do not update correctly and sometimes display wrong entirely...Hmmmmmmmm. No performance issue on that but it is still annoying.

I take it back what I said about the softsynth tracks. I really like that you can add the effects as inserts, something that is totally alien to Cubase unless you bounce it to audio. That of course omits the option to go back and edit it for whatever reason. Go Logic on that one!

I am trying to write my first song on it, and after 4 days...I am on the 10 measure...YES!!!!!!!! Good luck on your big hunts.