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Kontakt 2

Postby Tweak on Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:00 am

Review of Kontakt 2

Read the full review:

http://www.tweakheadz.com/review_of_kontakt_2.htm

Just got it. I am very impressed and have dug down deep to really learn this piece in all its depth. Kontakt 2 blows away Kontakt 1.5 tremendously.

Just look at it now.

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Logic users who have trouble with Native Instruments stuff will be happy to note that Kontakt 2 passes AUVAL in Logic 7.1 and with OS 10.4, and will load some important NI powered libraries that don't pass AUVAL, like The Garritan Personal orchestra, East West RA, to name 2.

You can get an idea of where I am on my World Cafe Bank. I just ported the whole thing from my e5000 to emulator X, and then from that to Kontakt 2 I took me one day of making sounds in Kontakt 2 to realize its superiority over Emulator X, which is also a very good soft sampler. What makes me say this?

In Kontakt 2 I can work really fast and everything is right where I need it. It also allows one to solo individual voices while you work on them--something emulator X cannot do--a minor point for some, but for me, critical. Another cool thing--getting new samples into Kontakt 2 is as easy an dragging them from the finder on my Mac. That feature, coupled with Spotlight in OS X (10.4) makes finding those lost samples on cavernous hard drives--including network drives-easy and fast.

Like many NI products, Kontakt 2 has a goodly share of bugs, particularly on its new bold features like the Script Editor (which includes some very cool things like arpeggiators, a drum pattern sequencer, chord generator, glissando maker, and more) for the serious tweakers among us. But Emulator X has its bugs too.

Like Emulator X you can go really deep with Kontakt 2, with extraordinary layering, zoning and grouping. There is also a new feature that lets you create banks of up to 128 presets and you can call these up with program change commands from the sequencer.

Another huge feature in Kontakt 2 is you can create loops within your samples really well. The program gives you audio feedback as you move loop points, just like the hardware samplers do. So you can hear those clicks and pops which are the roadmap to finding the perfect loop points. Plus crossfade looping is fast. By the time you get done punching in the value, its done! Its just as good as the Emagic EXS here but the parameter is easier to access. There's also little niceties like a loop tuner and a master reference tone is just a click away, making the hardest job of sampling--tuning--much easier.

Of course every sampler has drawbacks. Perhaps the most aggravating (though not a deal killer) is that the import filters for emu format miss a lot of parameters. But as usual the maps come out fine, filters, velocity, and some envelopes come out strange. Loop points carry over but with the loop turned off in many cases. Importing from EXS is much better. So if you are a big user of emu cd roms, port over to EXS first with translator, then drive it home to .NKI in Kontakt. Might save a few thousand tweaks or so.


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kontakt 2....

Postby abhijazz on Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:33 am

this is really good news from tweak
since i was hearing of many bugs in ver 2
but things have improved considerably in ver 2.1
as told by my friend
i am looking for a full review shortly
so that i can get my one too.... :P

cheers...
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Postby owel on Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:35 am

I can't wait... just got my shipping tracking # yesterday from NI that my K2 is on it's way.
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Postby Tweak on Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:32 pm

Glad you took the plunge, Owel! Looking forward to hear your assessment of it.
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Postby owel on Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:29 pm

I'm just poking around, trying out different things. Here are a few of my observations.

AU validation in Digital Performer 4.52 passed.

Nice thing is DP can load both K1 and K2 samplers on the same project.

1. When loading instruments, the volume seems to be all over the place. It seems the levels are "too hot" and I'll get the clip indicator lighting up and will need to lower down the volume fader for the instrument. Some instruments get loaded way too loud, others way too soft. (This is in stand-alone mode.)

Even when importing Kontakt 2 samples, and you try to play on the keys, I always get clipping. Need to turn down volume level.... again this is in stand-alone mode.

This problem doesn't seem to happen when used as a plugin inside DP.

2. I'm dissapointed with the import of Roland CDs (Symphony of Voices) and other Roland Cds. Some keys are mapped to nothing (i.e. no sound), some are mapped to a very low volume (couldn't hear it unless you max out the volume), and some keys are just totally messed up.

My verdict: Unreliable Roland CD sample import.

3. Giga import seems fine. i.e. Giga 2 sample formats. Don't know about Giga 3 formats.

4. NI sent me an invoice for $4.95 shipping fee. What's up with that?

Since this is the first release of Kontakt2, I figure there'll be lots of bugs especially in the new areas/features. Maybe when it gets to version 2.1, it will be much better.

But overall, I like it and it's way better than K1.5. They've improved the user interface much better... not perfect, but much better. It's got lots and lots of powerful features. It's going to take a long time to learn all this, or even use all of it.

Final Verdict: Highly Recommended upgrade from Kontakt 1.5.

Final Verdict 2: If you don't have one, get one!
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Native Instruments and Emulator X

Postby johnfoll on Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:44 pm

I own both Native Instruments and Emulator X and am trying to get them to work well on the same pc . Have you tried to use the E-MU Digital Audio Systems (like 0404, 1820M, 1616M) with any Native Instruments? I have tried the most recent versions of each Native Instruments like ABSynth 3, Kontakt 2, Reaktor 5, FM7, B4, Pro-53, etc. These and many of the older versions keep asking to set the resolution to 16 bit, 44.1 khz, even though the last time I opened them I had set them to 96 Khz 24 bit. After telling Patch Mix DSP to switch to 44.1 Khz, when I look in the setup of the Native Instrument, it shows itself as being set to 96 khz. And of course it doesn't work. So I have to switch the Setup to 44.1 Khz and exit. When I re-enter it works. In a lot of the previous versions of NI, I was able to (or it seemed like it was working) use them at 96 khz. Except I always have problems with Kompkt, and maybe B4 and some others. I never had any of these problems when I was using the Creative Labs Audigy 2 eX Platinum. Of course I am using the E-Mu 0404 interface. I want the better 1820M if I could prove that it would work correctly in my new PIV 3.2 GHz PC with 2 GB RAM and run all of the Native Instruments at 96 Khz. I also couldn't get Emulator X to run at 96 Khz audio 0404 driver under Sonar 4 Producer. I love both of these sampling systems and want to use them both. I wish I could use the 1820M because its a great equipment for the price (if it works correctly). But I am afraid that it might not work. The Patch Mix DSP Manual states that it doens't support any Effects at 96 Khz, and somewhere like that it states that it won't work correctly in either ASIO or VST Plugins at 96 Khz.
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Postby Tweak on Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:57 am

Well, its not good to run a sampler at a different sample rate than the master clock. If the emu is set to 44.1 the plugins should be as well. I don't think there is any benefit to running at 96 when the host wants a different rate.
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Native Instruments and Emulator X

Postby johnfoll on Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:54 am

You misunderstood me.

The Patch Mix DSP will always prompt the user to either load a Saved Session for the Request Sample Rate of the Action, or it will let create a New Session, unless Patch Mix DSP is actually in the same resolution as the Native Instrument was requesting. I had Native Instruments set to 96 Khz AND Patch Mix DSP set to 96 Khz, and when I exit the Native Instrument and re-run it, it would always try to force it to go back to 44.1 Khz (even thought the Native Instrument Configuration was and still is set to 96 Khz.). I am not sure if the bug is on Native Instruments side or the EMU Side, but Native Instruments works correctly, if it was configured to use the Creative Labs Audigy 2 Platinum eX at 96 Khz with no glitches (but this card is not in the same computer any more).
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Kontakt w/ Protools LE?

Postby demian on Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:09 am

How well does Kontakt work with PT LE? I use Reason as a rewire but would like to have a dedicated sampler for brass and strings. I've tried Sampletank but feel like the sounds are not so hot. Maybe I haven't tried thier best sounds yet. Any thoughts on a good sampler that works well with PT?

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Re: Kontakt 2

Postby DGX305 on Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:34 am

Tweak wrote:... Logic users who have trouble with Native Instruments stuff will be happy to note that Kontakt 2 passes AUVAL in Logic 7.1 and with OS 10.4, and will load some important NI powered libraries that don't pass AUVAL, like The Garritan Personal orchestra, East West RA, to name 2. ...

Rich: so how do you like EW RA?
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Postby chickensys on Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:04 pm

Native Instruments can always use feedback for their products - I'm not always able to get to all the forums but usually hear about things from indicental comments I get on service emails and calls.

Owel, we'll be checking out SOV and some other Roland CD's; can you point to any specific Patches that didn't make the cut?

As well, Tweak, can you send us some E3 or HALion stuff or point out some stuff on the common CD's that don't import well?

Don't sell short the impact that your comments can do for a product, aside from just mentioning it on a forum.

Great review, BTW.
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Postby Tweak on Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:32 am

Garth, you work for NI now? Welcome to our forums! We'd love to hear more from you.
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Postby chickensys on Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:58 am

Thanks for the invite! Yes, I work for NI in this capacity and I did the conversion routines.

We are just in the middle of doing the next update and any specific feedback (Patch Names or submitted files to my Translator Bug Reports page www.chickensys.com/translator/bugreports) would be directly put into the update.

The convertor code is updated seperately and can be released seperately of a Konakt release, which is a big advantage.
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Postby owel on Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:34 am

Welcome Garth....

I'll try to make a more definitive list of what patches sound wrong. I'll see if I can find some time this weekend.

I have a Roland XV-5080 so I know how those Roland CDs and SOV samples should sound like compared to Kontakt2.
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Postby chickensys on Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:28 pm

Thanks, I'll be going through things myself as well. I do not have the first CD (it broke) but I am trying the other 3.
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Postby sean maru on Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:49 am

Aside from a couple of freeware progs I am pretty new to softsynth/samplers. I mainly use my emu ultra for my sounds. Kontakt sounds like and interesting app but I am not sure if it will work (well) with Logic 4.8. Anyone have any experience with using the older (windows) versions of logic with kontakt and the like?


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Postby chickensys on Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:12 am

I'm pretty sure someone can give a more authoritative answer than mine, but Logic really had issues with VST implementation (which is how Logic and Kontakt would communicate) back then.

However, Kontakt can work in "standalone" mode, which means that instead of Logic being the host (VST type of thing), it would simply serve as a seperately running app receiving MIDI out.

But for the lopng term, it's best to get away from Logic 4.8 anyway. Legacy apps can prove well in the short term, but you usually slowly find out that they were an albatross across your neck. Bite the bullet now and you'll find you saved lots of time later.
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Postby sean maru on Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:13 pm

Actually I found a demo of intakt (came with my maudio 2496 card) and I ran it inside 4.8 and it seemed to work well.

I was not able to load my own wavs so it was hard to really get into but I was able to use their libraries (the demo is set up to run their stuff only). I basically loaded my own drums and then pulled up about 6 instances of intakt (as an audio instrument). Even on my ancient PII266 I didn't notice any major hangs or anything. I admit it was kind of fun to work with this prog. A few things confused me (the demo had no manual). For one I could not see how to manipualte the root key in real time. Like I did on an asr. In fact I could not tell how to tune the sample beyond the tune knob which only had a one octave range.

One question. Will intakt automatically find the tempo of whatever wav I load into it? It did a good job on the demo libraries but I don’t know if that is because the tempo info is built into the NI files themselves or what.

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Why Do People Here Think Kontakt Is OK?

Postby captain outrageous on Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:12 pm

Hello, I am just curious about something. I have carefully avoided Kontakt like the plague, because it lacks: sampling (recording of audio), sample editing, and useful drag-and-drop.

Why do you folks think this is ok? To me this makes Kontakt very worthless as a sampling tool. Are all of you simply loading prefab libraries? Try making your own sounds with Kontakt sometime. You'll see what I mean.
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Postby Tweak on Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:51 am

That would be a great feature for them to add. When I use the emulator X2 which does sample, I am surprised at how much easier the process it.
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Postby nanashiwanderer on Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:22 am

this topic doesnt look like it stickied like the rest of your reviews any reason why tweak?
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Postby Pr@nG! on Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:40 pm

Just downloaded the demo of this and was quite impressed. One question though, does Kontakt allow you to chop a loop in individual parts and assign each to a different key? In exactly the way .Rex files work, but I want to be able to adjust the loop within Kontakt. With rexes you have to keep returning to ReCycle to make any adjustments which is time consuming. The only way I got round this was to load the same sample multiple times which then means your using more ram.
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kontakt 2

Postby ray on Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:56 am

I just bought kontakt 2 along with the tutorial dvd.I found the tutourial very indepth and easy to follow,so i would recommend checking it out if your unfamiliar.Once i installed the software,i was linked to the service for activation and upgrades etc. Got in to all very quickly. I use kontakt 2 as a plug in with cubase studio 4,no probs so far javascript:emoticon(':wink:')
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Postby Travis Coats on Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:04 pm

Kontakt 2 is excellent, but man Tweak...you have a lot of samples!!!! I need to start expanding my synth capability. :shock:
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