Apple Releases Logic Studio

[davidaltemeier]

Anybody gonna get this?
This "Mainstage" thing looks pretty interesting....

[steveintampa]

Lots of new useful features, and half the price of Pro 7!!!!


http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/logicpro/

[motulover]

That's quite a deal. I'm going to definitely buy a copy very soon.

Wait, what's the catch?

[Jowboy]

LOL. Several other posts in the four other threads on Logic Studio are asking the same question. Everyone is suspicious. With a price drop like that, you can hardly blame us.

[motulover]

I know eh. What's funny is that Logic Express 8 is VERY similar to Logic Pro 7. I could hardly see any differences between them except the # of instruments available in Pro. Thus, I might as well settle with Express 8. It's full featured really.

[Tweak]

Looks like a super deal, particularly for those who did not have the Jam Packs. They are bundling in all 5, which yesterday would have cost you $500 without Logic.

Also Pro 8 bundles in Soundtrack Pro 2 and a new live application called Mainstage. Soundtrack Pro was available separately and in the Final Cut Studio bundle. So its not really new to the die-hards among us.

The person that benefits the most is the one totally new to the Mac and Logic. The Logic Power users already have the jam packs and soundtrack, so they benefit by the few new plugins and redesigned interface--which is plenty--for $199.


The $499 price really slams Steinberg, who raised their prices after Apple took Logic to a grand last time. Cubase 4 is looking way overpriced at $799 now. ($999 list).

[Razorruss]

The person that benefits the most is the one totally new to the Mac and Logic.

That would be me!

[Big Tim]

The $499 price really slams Steinberg, who raised their prices after Apple took Logic to a grand last time. Cubase 4 is looking way overpriced at $799 now. ($999 list).

That's a good thing! I'm starting to contemplate going to Cubase 4 in the not-too-distamt future and currently can only really justify the "Studio" version rather than the full-blown (not that it'd probably make a heck of a lot of difference to me!). With that version of Logic being cheaper, I'd hope to see a price cut from Steinberg in the near future, so hopefully it'll come down a bit. Seen Cubase 4 for £375 here and there, so maybe it'll drop further.

[steveintampa]

Lowering the price of the software to entice more people to the platform, who will need the hardware. Looks like a direct run at Pro Tool's market share.

[Nimh]

The person that benefits the most is the one totally new to the Mac and Logic.

That would be me!

And me. I wasn't looking forward to paying a grand for logic, but $500 is well within my price range. Awesome!

[owel]

I would like to see a downward trend in prices on all music software. It seems within the last 5 years, prices of software has gone up and up and up... people think that higher $$$ equals more quality. And manufacturers are of course willing to play that game to satisfy user's perception.

[hardrain]

this seems consistant with their drop of the similarly high priced (although otherwise totally unrelated) iphone.

I purchased a new mac with logic LE pre-installed. Whats really sad is, even after buying a $60 book, I haven't even used it yet (its been almost 6 months), you gun slingers are going to spit out your milk but I've found garageband so easy to use, and when the mood hits me and want to set up as quick as possible.

I need to sit down when i'm not in the mood and just learn the [darn] thing, has anyone else had a slow learning curve with apple products?

[Tweak]

Logic Studio just arrived here and is being installed. 8 dvds and a big box of manuals. Totally professional, moreso than any earlier version of Logic. This will make a lot of musician's happy.

[Rick Levine]

I need to sit down when i'm not in the mood and just learn the [darn] thing, has anyone else had a slow learning curve with apple products?

It's not Apple products, it's DAW software. Garageband is designed for exactly what you're doing, and well. DAW software is designed for power, flexibility, and workflow, and without a lot of background, can take hundreds of hours of study. That's been my experience just moving from Sonar Home Studio to Sonar 5, and is echoed all over the forum.

[hardrain]

ya, i wasn't trying to bash apple, i think garageband is great, i will admit i might have overshot a bit on Logic, it can really do so many things that I wouldn't ever dream of needing...

[Rick Levine]

ya, i wasn't trying to bash apple, i think garageband is great, i will admit i might have overshot a bit on Logic, it can really do so many things that I wouldn't ever dream of needing...

That's kind of funny, because I don't use Apple products. I use WinXP and Sonar. What I meant was that Garageband really is great, and it's introducing DAW software to lots of folks. The learning curve for the follow on products is really time consuming, no matter what DAW or OS.

[joelpilling]

I need to sit down when i'm not in the mood and just learn the [darn] thing, has anyone else had a slow learning curve with apple products?

It's not Apple products, it's DAW software. Garageband is designed for exactly what you're doing, and well. DAW software is designed for power, flexibility, and workflow, and without a lot of background, can take hundreds of hours of study. That's been my experience just moving from Sonar Home Studio to Sonar 5, and is echoed all over the forum.

That is so true, I havent even gotten INTO all the flexibility and workflow and shortcuts and editing and and and and everything else Sonar 6 PE offers me. Moving up from Home Studio, where I was still pretty comfortable in... I was just WOW'd I still can't even figure out how to export a song without highlighting all the tracks. :-p Its crazy what a full blown DAW is capable of when you first swim in it.

[motulover]

Just placed an order.

[davidaltemeier]

so when's the review coming, Tweak?

[Tweak]

Right Now!

It took about 90 minutes to install. It took me about an hour to run through it to see where everything is now. You want an early verdict? It is freaking awesome! Way better than Logic 7. Easier to use. Looks better. More "logical". Remarkably stable on my problematic G5.

I am just using the default installation with no 3rd party plugins (since my major hard drive crash last Sunday). I have to question why I would want to add my 60 or so soft synths to Logic's fantastic collection. There is vry little that I can think of the Logic cannot do.

Just a few enticements to tell you now.

SoundTrack pro 2 is better integrated. This gives Logic a killer audio editor just a mouse click away. I mean, I used to use STP as my external audio editor but performance was never very stable. Now you can hit shift W, it opens up, you can add effects, like a big space designer, then save and its back in Logic-- a fast and easy round trip!

All the major editors are now integrated on the arrange window. this means their location is fixed. I thought i would not like this as much as I do.

That Apple is only charging 500 bucks for this is scary. They could have sold this package at $1200.00 even more. No one can touch it now. Not Cubase, Sonar, Live, PTLE, DP. As great as all those products are, they are now in Logic's shadow.

[rotaryunison]

That's great to hear. My install is almost done. I think I'm going to have a long night. I'll update tomorrow.

[adhesive]

No one can touch it now. Not Cubase, Sonar, Live, PTLE, DP. As great as all those products are, they are now in Logic's shadow.

Never fear... FruityLoops is here!

[Rick Levine]

That Apple is only charging 500 bucks for this is scary. They could have sold this package at $1200.00 even more. No one can touch it now.

Apple, the company, is back to their core competency. Make everything better than everyone else, with the end user held as their top priority. Use software that has no rival to sell hardware.

That Apple is only charging $500 harkens back to the days of the original MC68000 based Macs, where all the software was included or cheap, and they sold tons of hardware.

I was price comparing a four core decked out Mac against a four core decked out Wintel machine. The Mac was ~$4000, the Wintel ~$2000, but that's wrong headed economics. The Mac has OSX, which does what I want it to do. The Wintel has Vista, which only does what MS and the MAFIAA condone, and what the latest trojan tells it. The Mac is well-built, and has inexpensive software that makes it the only economically viable solution for my needs. I still can't afford it, but I also can't afford a new machine with Vista, for these entirely different reasons.
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[G-Dub]

ya, i wasn't trying to bash apple, i think garageband is great, i will admit i might have overshot a bit on Logic, it can really do so many things that I wouldn't ever dream of needing...

Just open one of your GB songs in Logic for the mix. It will create a logic project and leave the original GB song file unaltered.

I use Garage Band like a sketch pad, fill it with custom Apple Loops, create backing tracks that I then take into logic for mixing and additional recording.

[G-Dub]

Right Now!

It took about 90 minutes to install. It took me about an hour to run through it to see where everything is now. You want an early verdict? It is freaking awesome! Way better than Logic 7. Easier to use. Looks better. More "logical". Remarkably stable on my problematic G5.

I am just using the default installation with no 3rd party plugins (since my major hard drive crash last Sunday). I have to question why I would want to add my 60 or so soft synths to Logic's fantastic collection. There is vry little that I can think of the Logic cannot do.

Just a few enticements to tell you now.

SoundTrack pro 2 is better integrated. This gives Logic a killer audio editor just a mouse click away. I mean, I used to use STP as my external audio editor but performance was never very stable. Now you can hit shift W, it opens up, you can add effects, like a big space designer, then save and its back in Logic-- a fast and easy round trip!

All the major editors are now integrated on the arrange window. this means their location is fixed. I thought i would not like this as much as I do.

That Apple is only charging 500 bucks for this is scary. They could have sold this package at $1200.00 even more. No one can touch it now. Not Cubase, Sonar, Live, PTLE, DP. As great as all those products are, they are now in Logic's shadow.

Did my install last night, figured out how to restore custom icons, plug settings, and Custom EXS libraries, this morning.

So far everthing is going smooth, it handles all of my previous sessions.
Mac Pro Video has a few vids posted for the public, If have purchased the Logic 303 tutorial there are new downloads about Logic Studio.